Lead, connection type for hard casting.

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Lead, connection type for hard casting.

Postby Davros-1 (deleted) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:51 am

I have a query now I am venturing into the 150g leads and have rods that can get some proper pressure on them.

I have various leads such as the ubiquitous snapper sinker with a fat molded lead loop at one end, and a number of various bomb or pyramid types with a brass swivel poking out.

I'm finding the swivels make me nervous, not able to say what they are rated at, nor the internal condition either. The all lead snapper sinkers are also not really right, as they are very hard to fit to a clip or large snap, and even then a groove gets formed that makes a weak point, and lead flows when subject to constant force so I am nervous about a bit of stretch and possibly a parting of the ways in mid cast....

Any suggestions? Avoid, use with care or don't worry about it? Thinking I'll get some wire tail leads to feel more confident I won't pong off a weight in some random direction.
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Re: Lead, connection type for hard casting.

Postby werty0_0 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:22 am

Yep, the snapper sinker will part ways after a few casts. the line will pull through the lead and game over. Try using heavier cord instead of the mono line increasing the surface area and it will last a lot longer. You'd know about net slinging cord, but use the heavy stuff used on shark nets etc which will take the load OK and you'll get a lot more casts from the lead. You could also just run a double loop of stainless wire and make a connection that doesn't move during the cast causing friction and the inevitable break off.

Coming from the same background, and having several moulds for snapper sinkers of many sizes, I've looked at simply drilling a hole through the back of the mould and running a stainless steel loop through which I'm sure will work. Saying that, I've also just ordered some Namix Phoenix GX moulds from 4ounce to 8 ounce......! 8-)
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Re: Lead, connection type for hard casting.

Postby Jeremy Schrader » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:54 am

Do not use sinkers with direct swivel connection or snapper leads for power casting as it will end in break offs that will put oyhers as well as yourself in risk of injury.

Sinkers with sold steel ( stainless or brass ) is what is needed.

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Re: Lead, connection type for hard casting.

Postby plankton » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:52 am

I can't understand why people persist in making leads with brass swivels as the connection point, basically one use in saltwater and they develop enough corrosion to be rendered useless, stainless steel loops are the only way to go.

I've got some storm sinkers (similar to star or pyramids but work even better) I got from ebay that are made with stainless loops and were well priced. For comp or grapnel styles have an ask around, there are plenty of guys who make their own and might be willing to sell some. Unfortunately no shop I have found sells a decent grapnel sinker at an acceptable price.
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Re: Lead, connection type for hard casting.

Postby Davros-1 (deleted) » Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:50 am

I guess for dangling over the side of a boat or jetty the cheap whatsits are plenty good enough, but as soon as I started getting the P5 loaded up I thought no, not smart. You have all just confirmed that with me.

Not a single supplier locally of anything safe or the right size, it is a plan to get more proper molds and start casting my own locally. Might even be a limited market for breakaways. I already have some sweet smaller DCA type and a heap of formed wires ready to go, but nothing over 75g yet in lead mold size.

Will make up the mandrels and forms to make wires and clips, and considering down the track looking at one of those electric smelter thingos which look very cost effective to make quantities in a continuous work run. Gas is o.k. for a handful of leads, but I plan to do something like this properly and the electric option seems pretty good.

Simon I did strop the snapper leads with covered 1mm dyneema (2mm total) which is 200kg rated - its not the optimum and I would expect the eyes to begin stretching immediately anyway regardless of the grip knot style, but the strop won't pull through easily. Thinking I could lay a formed wire inside the mould then blow the lead off with a small gas torch to expose it may serve an immediate need. 8-)
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Re: Lead, connection type for hard casting.

Postby Davros-1 (deleted) » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:01 pm

Right, finally got to try and mould a few.











At least I feel a bit more safe trying to fumble through a few casts with the P5 now....

The 50 and 75 g bombs look great for light distance casting - out wide for whiting, flathead, salmon, whateva..... 8-)

No current or big swell where I plan to use these - next lot of molds I get will be grip types though, can always not fit wires if not needed. First thing is to get some hours playing with these and see where we get out to.
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Re: Lead, connection type for hard casting.

Postby Nanara » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:46 am

It look that those will do the job. Always say if there is a will there is a way. :D
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Re: Lead, connection type for hard casting.

Postby werty0_0 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:22 pm

Nice work, that's how I was thinking of trying to make them the wire sits in the mold pretty well by the look. I've got some Namix molds on the way so not sure I'll bother now, keep the snapper sinkers for the boat trips!

Eddie once described to me a simple mod if you've not got the grip wires by drilling 4 holes in the lead tip to insert a cut section of heavy grass trimming line and glue in place with supa glue or I'd probably just deform the edge of the hole with a punch once the line was in to grip it. Haven't tried it yet myself but sounded like a great idea. Would hold in place but bend back enough to retrieve more easily.

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Re: Lead, connection type for hard casting.

Postby Davros-1 (deleted) » Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:02 am

I've had to prune down the big leads as they weigh in at over 245g.....

Borrowed mold, only the large size has been drilled out to suit what I am doing, melting off the sprag offends me as it is difficult and heats the exposed wire etc. etc.

Good for a quick fix, not good for the long term.

The DCA molds are great, they cast very well too. I am considering investing in molds and equipment to produce enough volume to cover costs. There is a local specialist market - after all the only alternative has swivels etc. poking out of them. We'll see.
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Re: Lead, connection type for hard casting.

Postby Tima » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:52 am

Davros/Plankton

A bit late this but the bomb weight with a swivel was developed by Richard Walker (a very famous freshwater angler in the UK) and was called the "Arlesey Bomb".

In his book Stillwater Angling" he says "If the tackle becomes twisted as it flies through the air, the swivel allows the twists to come out as the tackle sinks. The line runs easily through the eye of the swivel, no matter what the direction of pull.....". These weights were usually small say under 50 gms so the swivel breaking would not have been a problem. They were never intended for surfcasting as such.

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